Ashley On - Cannabis, CBD & Nutrition for Gut Health with Dr. Laura Lagano

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Today's episode features Laura Logano who's a registered dietitian and attended the Institute of functional medicine. She's focused on nutrition and its overall impact on wellness and health involved in personal life coaching in order to help people factor in nutrition as well as other health and wellness techniques to achieve their maximum, you know, most beneficial life. She wrote a book called The CBD oil Miracle, which we'll talk about and Sue is running something called the holistic cannabis Academy providing online education for folks that are wishing to learn more about cannabis and its healthy benefits. So hope you enjoy the show today. Thank you.

Hi, how are you? I'm good. How are you? Good.

Good afternoon.

Yeah, good afternoon. Where am I finding you today? 

I'm in my house in Hoboken, New Jersey. Okay. 

How about you I'm in my basement in Boulder, Colorado.

Okay. Nice. Yeah.

Well, thank you so much for joining to thank you excited about this conversation. Oh, this is one of my favorite conversations to have well the whole idea of factoring in diet into the conversation is what's got me got me excited right? It's CBD plays a role and I'm sure we'll get into all of this but, you know, given your background as a registered dietitian and I think if I’m saying it right The Institute of Medicine certification on top of that right? 

So well, I don't have the certification. I did all the coursework and I never I filed my case study and I never took the exam. I haven't taken an exam since 1991. So I'm like, what do I need? I understand.

Yeah, I would stay away from that myself. Yeah anyway, so thank you so much for being here. I mean, it's a the objective of what we're trying to do on this. Program is to really educate and broaden the awareness of what CBD what cannabis can do for people in various different walks of life and different things that people are looking for and related in hopes of educating broadening the awareness and demystifying the whole thing by talking to people that know what they're talking about like yourself. So that's what that's it. And you know, I'd love to just know a little bit about your background. Ground as we get started and then we can kind of go into more in-depth as we kind of see how things go.

Sure, so I have been a nutritionist for a long time. That's what I studied in school. I became initially very interested in nutrition in my mother's Kitchen in Brooklyn. They used to listen to a New York station and it was talk radio and it was talk radio that had all sorts of different people on and Adelle Davis was one of the was a guest often as well as Dr. Feingold been Feingold and if you've heard about the Feingold Diet that he came out with this many many years ago. He's long since passed away about removing artificial ingredients and certain types of sugars and salicylates from the diet because he felt they contributed to hyperactivity. Well, he was way before his time. He got completely pooh-poohed and then of course several years ago, People were studying, you know, artificial ingredients and salicylates and found. Yes, it did contribute to hyperactivity and it's now it's sort of its a standard at least in my world in nutrition and functional medicine to remove artificial ingredients. And of course the question that I have to ask that I'm sure you would agree with is why do we even need artificial colors in our food? You know, why do we need artificial? Rivers when Nature provides all of these things already and you know, you see the big cereal manufacturers have taken out many of them have taken out food coloring out of their products. I mean, it's taken a long time but nevertheless, of course that's driven by you know that what the consumers are asking for so that being 

I think you're being generous calling them food products.

Yeah, exactly. Right? It's totally that. Absolutely true. But somehow you know that seem one of my girlfriend's she was telling this funny story once how her mother would say, you know on Easter when they would hunting, you know for Easter eggs. She came from a big family and her mom would say wait  minute you have to have breakfast first. So my girlfriend said what a breakfast of sugar artificially flavored and colored stereo. The chocolate was a better choice. So, you know, we think about you know, what has happened to you. Now our food ways and of course in nutrition, we refer to that as that standard American diet better known as sad which is full of which is you know, which is full of processed foods, but I stayed true to nutrition. I mean after all these years it's still my love. I always loved learning about nutrition and I really love using food as medicine and what brought me my journey along the way to cannabis really Lee was my daughter and my daughter who's now 24 was my best teacher and she became my teacher of course as all our children do but hers was pretty powerful because she was having grand mal seizures and you know a lot of developmental issues. And so I used food and nutrition early on to really help her and that is what stopped her seizures, you know, so she was on a modified ketogenic food plan. And there were times that and in fact one of those times is right now where she doesn’t eat foods with salicylate. So, you know, thank you, you know, dr. Ben Franco, but you know, so it's been but it changes all the time, you know, people think like once you get a food plan like that's it for life. No, it does it does not only changes during the life cycle. It changes maybe a different season.

So what else is going on in your life? Certainly.

We all know now during the pandemic. That what we were eating when you were active and outside of your home should be different than what you're eating inside of the home. But of course many of us reach for those those processed foods and that's why you know, there's been weight gain and more inflammatory issues during the pandemic but getting back to my daughter then she is of course what brought me to cannabis and hemp Drive CBD, you know, obviously I knew the story about excuse me, Charlotte Fiji who sadly has passed away and her great success in using hemp derived CBD products and you know, she had dravet's syndrome which was much many many more seizures than what my daughter had and you know, I knew that CBD was great for quelling anxiety, but what I didn't expect some of the other things that happen with my daughter, which namely had to do was her language ability and her And her processing so I think there's I do think that CBD can be miraculous. I think the plant in and of itself is miraculous and it's it's I'm sure you would agree. It's pretty devastating that this has been kept from us, you know for so many years. It should be in everybody's toolbox, you know practitioners, but also, you know in your at-home toolbox for you know for your family.

Supply I couldn't agree more and I think I think a big you know, I wonder what's your opinion on this is you know, one of the things I've always hypothesized is that cannabis was always in our diets as humans in some way shape or form throughout the years and then it was, you know, all of a sudden kind of taken out of our diets intentionally for political reasons and and in our monopolistic capitalist society, you know i want to stress the monopolistic dimension of that because I'm a very much Pro capitalism, but Monopoly should not be allowed. Right and that's what kind of happened but neither here nor there. The point I was making is that now a you know, it's his not in the diets of most people right and we're experiencing a lot more chemicals in our diets. We also had more organic diets through the through the years because it was you know food was organic you didn't have To call it organic because it was totally right. And so nowadays you have a kind of a Confluence of both of those situations where people are not eating real food. And the excuse me, they're missing the you know, the cannabinoids from their diet, which we now know, you know, at least we make cannabinoids. So therefore there's a system to process them. So anyway, my question for you is what's your reaction to that and am i beating around the right Bush there with that hypothesis?

Well, I think you know to answer and or build on, you know, your comment about organic diets. There's no question about that. I mean I can remember even growing up when they're certainly were a lot of processed foods available. But I think because I grew up in a household with immigrants, you know, they're not they weren't as quick to you know for the standard American diet. They were you know, everything was fresh and when I visit my Relatives in a very little tiny town in Italy called Loud Ito I mean, you know, you're talking like a medieval town with 750 people where most of them are my cousin's they don't even they call organic biologic but they don't really even talk about it because it's like what you said, that's what it already is, you know, that’s just what it is. They don't have to like be so careful as to selecting things, but you're absolutely right because we have all these if it's like the cannabinoids and a lot of the you know, the organic products have been sort of pushed out of our diet. In favor of processed foods and you know some people suffer more than others. I mean, you know, we all know people are not all the same. No, we all know people who eat really badly, you know who make a lot of bad choices and there seemed really well, right and then we know people who you know seem to follow, you know, the rules and the guidelines and maybe that I don't do as well but this all this all Goes back to genetics. We all have a genetic predisposition and some of us are able to detoxify better. So if we take something everybody can relate to this, let's just take caffeine a psychoactive and some of us can really are our quick caffeine metabolizers, right so you can have a you can have a coffee at 11:55 and be asleep at midnight, but other people, you know if they have a coffee. He passed even noon. They're going to have problems falling asleep because they're they’re much slower caffeine metabolize and most people know this, you know, they're there in touch with that even if you look at alcohol. People know that and I always like to point out that you know as a group as it as an ethnic group, you know, the Irish people think oh, you know, they're you know, they drink too much. They actually I don't know if they drink too much they don't have a lot of alcohol dehydrogenase. So as a group as an ethnic group The Irish do not have the enzyme to break down alcohol the Germans have a lot of It so, you know, I think that that you know, of course we live in the United States where none of us very few of us are one ethnicity, you know where mutts so, you know, you never know. You never know even even though yes, my mother's family is Italian. I am a very bad caffeine metabolizer. So, you know, There goes I didn't get that chain. 

Yeah, I didn't either but that's a whole nother conversation with regards to the caffeine. So tell me. I guess I'm interested in a lot of different things in it as I was reading your background, but you do you do a lot of PLC or personal life coaching right talk to me about that. I'm always intrigued with she don't provement.

So Jeff Bland coins, the turn personalized lifestyle medicine. So that's really taking instead of giving somebody a medication. You know, how When people go to the doctor, they think they've scored if they get the little piece of paper right with the prescription on it and and that perspective right? And then what and then that prescription leads to another prescription because they have to mitigate the side effect of the prescription and before you know it you have three prescriptions. This is actually what happened to my daughter. So when my daughter was very young and you know, it's when you have a child who's having Users of who's sick. It really doesn't matter what your background is, you're too freaked out and you want somebody else to take care of your child. And then when my daughter was on she was 4 she was on three medications and of course all of these medications or at least two of them were definitely meant for adults and nobody did any studies to determine what's the effect of those three medications together, but things were not working out. You know, I wasn't yes her seizures had stopped but She was nuts. I mean literally nuts. I couldn't even leave the house with her and she has a twin brother and an older daughter and an older system. So we were it was the problem and I realized wait a minute. This is not good. I really have to take matters into my own hands. And so when you talk about, you know, personalized lifestyle medicine or anything to do with lifestyle our then personalizing that for the individual, you know, what is it that that person needs And obviously she need I needed to make sure that our seizures weren't going to rear their ugly head when I took her off the medication, but that we were also going to see her personality. So it was like a big aha moment for me and looking at not only taking, you know, the artificial colors and all of that out of her diet which course you didn't have at that time anyway but then what could I add so you know, so what could you add in? So it's looking at, you know, not just the food people eat and maybe Elements which is you know, and hemp derive CBD in my book comes under supplement, even though I know the FDA is not really sure what's happening with that. But to me, it's really a nutraceutical and as you said food, but also looking at other, you know, life's many many other lifestyle habits and interestingly enough, you know, so we're talking about movement 

I don't like to use the word exercise because it freaks people out a lot. You know, they don't want to go The gym they don't want to participate in team sports. So it could be any type of movement, you know movement breathing exercises tapping meditation yoga anything that's meditative. So I know people think meditation you got to have that special pillow. Okay, knitting is meditative. Every religion has some kind of a bead like in Roman Catholicism is the rosary you saying that Rosarie. nd over again, it's meditative but knitting, you know think crocheting anything. My daughter Isabella actually does needlepoint. And you know, I wish everybody could see it but it's really beautiful. You know, she does it it's not following the pattern but it's very very repetitive and for her it's very meditative and it's very grounding and I think we've sort of lost those things, you know, we used to now. I don't consider scrolling to be meditative that would be the opposite of meditative. Especially if you're doing that noon scrolling, all of these things actually impact the endocannabinoid system because they’re now going to have like the same effect as as a hug, you know, which sadly we don't have a lot of hugs right now during the pandemic where it works like as a psychoactive and and really can help to regulate that endocannabinoid system.

Interesting. So I guess the you're saying there is your your toolkit is wide open, right? So whatever anybody is really looking for with regards to or actually even what they need. Basically after you talk to them you kind of think about it and talk to them to figure out what the right combination of everything might be for that individual.

Right and where they ready to start with, you know, if somebody is, you know eating fast food. Obviously I am not going to you know to to have them along with you, right? Yeah, you know, I knew you have to start people from where there were also some people are ready to go from 0 to 60, but most people are not and you have to sort of bring them in. So generally what I do is even things like cleaning products. They're very toxic in a we always want to be working with lowering our toxic load and you know, we generally or the most part we can't change the air we breathe. I mean we can be using essential oils dinner in our homes and in diffuser, but you know, you live in the house you live in you you're not going to know not everybody is moving to the country or living in the woods so we can do little things and so most people are totally okay with changing their cleaning products for instance, which can be very toxic or making their own cleaning products and even changing personal. Ex, you know shampoos soaps. I mean so many of these things are very toxic and you know, I just send people over to ewg dot-org environmental working group where you can look at those ratings. You can put in your product name my wife my wife's a big fan of that website. Oh, I love it. I love it and they also have information on The Dirty Dozen in the Clean 15 which has to do with produce. So, you know people are shocked to learn, you know, strawberries apples are always very high up. There is like the dirtiest fruits with the most pesticides so, you know rather than telling people you have to buy everything organic, which for some people can the prices can be to astronomical or they can't find the products. So, you know, you just focus on on certain things, you know, you want to try to get as much Anna Products organic is possible because remember animals have fat and the toxins of stored in the fat. It's very easy to find organic eggs, you know, a lot of you know, so you start with the you know with a few things at a time. Now if people want to do it they can also do some genetic testing to see you know, where where they fit in so yes, we most of us know about our ability to metabolize As caffeine and alcohol but a lot of other things we really we really don't know now, I might be able to take a guess because you know just empirically but that can be helpful for people. 

Why remember what you know, I didn't always have the best diet, you know, when I was growing up and even into my early adulthood, you know, I didn't really value it. I didn't pay attention to it. Really And I remember when I ended up getting together with my wife and then we went on to get married, but she she started persuading me with the organic diet by based on hey, you know, I bet you you'll feel better. But I also bet you you'll your medical bills to go down. Hmm like hmmm. Okay, and you know, he said you think about how many times you go to the physician for doctors, you know for colds and flus and Justjust other things other problems that I was having, you know through the times I was diagnosed with Meniere's disease, which is a caffeine related illness. That's why my caffeine story earlier. It's caffeine and sugar really exacerbate that problem, you know, so I started to become aware of diet and you know, she's been right, you know, I mean, I tell you what we spend a lot on food are by far. Our biggest family bill is on

our food, but we are, you know, God willing We're all very very healthy. And you know, that's you know, it's you they're ready says diet and exercise and exercise important as you say movement, but I find out, you know, even in times of lack of movement the diet Gets You Through. I mean you still you your immune response is is really really strengthened. So anyway, what is your reaction to that? 

Yeah. I mean diet what you eat is, you know. That's what feeds your cells and diet is definitely more important than exercise. Yes. You have to move your body. I'm not saying it's not important, but you can't not eat well and this was the thing, especially if you're not going to move right? I mean, yeah, do you remember remembering? You know, I think it was in the 80s when it was like the pig out workout, but people want didn't do well, you know, you can't eat really badly and think you're going to make that up. You know by exercising like a like a lunatic that doesn't work out that that does is injuries. And even if you try to eat well, you know, quote unquote whatever that may be at the time with the trends but low-fat, you know or high fat or whatever what you're going through that process, even if you're eating those Foods the right way as you said earlier, you're going to get the toxins and therefore if you're not doing detox, you're you know, you're going to end up getting sick. Absolutely. Yeah, and you know now especially with the pandemic you really want to be eating well and I think the tendency and we saw this happening a lot in the beginning, you know, people were going to like their childhood Comfort Foods whether they were cookies or chips or ice cream and now you're in your house. So what happened a lot of people gained weight, you know, remember there was a Freshman 15, then we have the you know, the covid 15, so You know now with being people being able, you know wanting to fit back in their clothes because everybody's been wearing athleisure wear which you know, that that is just a recipe, you know for disaster where you're not, you know, you're not getting any feedback from your from your clothing but you know, and we really have to think of what we're eating in terms of health and wellness and eating a food plan that is anti-inflammatory. So, you know, it's that It's not going to be a food plan that has added sugar and it may not depending on how Stone she wore. It may not even it's not going to be usually not going to have gluten and for some people it's not going to have grains but it really depends on the person and I know there could be people listening who freaked out because when I say this because then they're thinking what do I eat? And that's where people really have to learn recently. I decided that everybody in my family that we were going to be vegan Four weeks which we are not normally vegan. And so it really gave me the chance to up my auntie for cooking vegetables and really everything was fabulous. Nobody missed any of the animal products, but it's a matter of getting into the kitchen and I and that's of course another thing that happened when we had all these processed foods. I mean where you live where I live, we don't never have to cook you can go Go out and get prepared food anywhere, you can get food delivered. I mean, there are people here where I live.  don't know that they've used their ovens, right, you know, you know, you can do that and and I should say sometimes you can get really good food doing that. I mean are you fine but where you lived, you know, we can find some good spots here. Well, you you live in you know, the natural food bauble of the United States so lucky here. Yeah, you know you have access to all those to everything and I do too but not in the same way. You're in a much smaller much smaller Community, but you know people have a hard time making those kind of decisions you can walk out of your house and anywhere you walk it, you know in urban areas even in non-urban areas, you know. All the gas stations have the convenience stores what's there to have that's all processed food. Hmm. 

So it is well, what about you know, our sponsor is a company called Magic Immune A Tea which is a functional mushroom company and they feature the reishi mushroom chaga lion's mane and cordyceps and as well as I think 12 other adaptogens as they call them. You know just would love to get your your feedback on those types of things especially functional mushrooms is very intriguing and mushrooms in general are getting a lot of attention and for their a lot of the psychoactive ones are being utilized now for PTSD and depression and all kinds of things which is fantastic. But even just from a General Nutrition standpoint mushrooms, like Reishi and chaga, lion's mane, cordyceps. What do you think about those? 

Yeah, I love mushrooms. I think they are. There's such a great product. Excuse me, and they're really great when I love them when they're actually mixed with CBD and it's funny that you should bring this up because right now I've been making a lot of CBD drinks lately and I made a coconut milk with a with a mushroom powder and CBD and Some and some turmeric and I think I made another one with cacao was mushrooms and they're really really good. I think when people hear a lot of people here mushrooms, they freaked out they just think oh, they're they're not going to taste good but the taste is negligible, especially since I'm mixing it, you know with with other products and they really get that the immune benefit is spectacular and you're talking about adaptogens. You know, what isn’t Good about regulating, you know homeostasis, right you're talking about the endocannabinoid system where it's balancing, you know, your your, you know, your endocannabinoid system in your body, which is all about balance and homeostasis.

I mean, it's literally the basis of Cell Biology. So I think we're going to see a lot more. I mean there are mushrooms of course are out there and available. I obviously in Boulder, I'm sure every little place you go into they It that that serves coffee is also serving a drink, you know with mushrooms and we have so we have that here to some of it. So it's getting you know wide more widespread acceptance. You know, for sure. 

Yeah. It's interesting you bring up taste because that was one of the things I was you know hypothesizing is it wouldn't taste good A lot of the mushroom coffees or things like that that I've tried have not been real tasty. But the magic Immune A Tea  was was fantastic and I think it's because as they've Blended in these other adaptogens, you know, like turmeric and ginger and black pepper and chillies and pomegranate a you know, things that the really bring flavor to to mushrooms.

Don't necessarily taste bad. They just generally are dull and their flavor, right? And then you put all this flavor on top of it with other adaptogens. You can really create some some nice things. So I'm optimistic about that that category. I think it's like it's got a lot of potential. Yeah. I also think Food, you know manufacturers and I'm putting you know your sponsor into that category. They've gotten a lot more creative about those things. I mean, I couldn't remember the old school, you know, quote unquote health food store. It had a certain scent to it. Not good. It wasn't good and and you know, the food was a little bit too Barky, you know, you know it gave new meaning to tree hugger. So but we've come a very very long way, you know, even if If I look at gluten-free, there were things that years ago were just unpalatable. It just would have been better to eliminate at that point eliminate gluten and not try to provide, you know substitutes. But now that is not the case. There are you know, there are things that you don't even know that there's a you know that it's a substituted you people have gotten much much more sophisticated and you know,

We eat a lot of cauliflower crust pizza here because both my son and I are gluten free.  When it's you know Pizza is the hardest thing to give up for me and that scenario, but it's have you done it. Have you done any cauliflower fried rice? Oh,yeah, my wife. I'm a very blessed man. She's a great cook and she's on Trend nutritionally. I you guys would get along fantastically and she but she's she's a wonderful cook to the point where it's a curse like we you know, she's like, oh my God, I can't we can't get anything as good as I can prepare it I’ve I'm tired of cooking, but I'll cook again. Right and so anyway, she gets that burden on herself quite a bit, but it's kind of like I said, I always say the curse of being a great cook as well as a knowledgeable person about nutrition, right it comes down to then you end up doing it all the time. It's true.

Yeah, do you cook I do I do cook any know it’s funny. There are plenty of dietitians and nutritionists who don't cook. Look, but you know my Not only was my love of nutrition born from those radio shows that I heard but you know I lived in what would be a very I guess traditional home I grew up in Brooklyn and it was a three Family House a very big house my parents lived on the first floor. My Italian grandparents lived on the second floor. And when I was 16, I moved to the top floor. So, you know, and you can imagine both my grandmother and my mother were Spectacular Cooks, so the kitchen was a big place to stay and of course, you know in those kind of kitchens food is love and I can remember going to people's houses and if they didn't offer me food, I was like not even friends with those people. I didn't even understand it but it was you know, so that was a that was also a big thing. So there was there was a lot of cooking and a lot of activity going on around the dinner table. I mean at that time that was not at the time When you know the father, you know, my father and most dad's I knew were home for dinner. They weren't working. You know, right 60 70 80 hours a week. They're working 40 hours a week. So dinner was you know an activity and you know that dinner was being cooked and you sat around and ate dinner and there was discussion and you know, I think that I know intellectually people know that that is a really important time whether it's breakfast in the morning or dinner in the evening or both but you know, you have to make a commitment to that but I think interestingly that is happening now during covid because what what else are you going to do? You’re there. You know what remember you know the whole sourdough thing, you know. And I perfected you know, my vegetable cooking people that you know, now people are taking the time your home that you're not rushing as much she 

my wife made a gluten-free pizza crust last night just fantastic, but it was a disaster in terms of how much difficulty had put her through to get to that point. Right? So it's like it was it was interesting dinner, but it was so good. It was so fantastic, but we had time to do that because covid right? You're always at home. What else you going to do well tell you what tell us about your book The CBD oil Miracle, like assuming that has dead came out of your experience with your daughter.

But well, yeah, they publisher st. Martin's press approached me to write the book and it's the first part of the book is really lays the groundwork about the endocannabinoid system about the cannabis plant and one of the big things that I like to talk about is the word psychoactivity that it's not a bad thing. And CBD would not work for anxiety if it weren't psychoactive, I think unfortunately a lot of the CBD hemp manufacturers Market their products by saying it's not psychoactive because they want to separate it from THC as if THC is a bad thing and THC is not a bad thing. I don't believe in throwing the baby out with the bathwater. There are many people who would who benefit from THC. So even Though pain is one of the things that people use tempter I've CBD for it can also be used if you have really severe pain you're going to need the THC and then so I talked about that a lot And then in the second part of the book, there's different conditions and not and I indicate whether or not the condition where the CBD might be appropriate for the condition or not because sometimes it's not or if maybe you have to look int you know. medical marijuana, but maybe CBDs and enough so It's an overview. I mean it's it's it's a you know, it's a consumer-oriented book because you know first and foremost, you know, I see myself as an educator and Communicator that that's even how my program started, you know, the holistic cannabis Academy, which is at holistic canada.com. It was really about you know, I learned all these things from my daughter and I had to learn it on my own. I didn't have anybody there was no practitioner. I could go to all right. Nowhere to go. So I had it and I realized well, nobody knows anything. So maybe this is a good opportunity then, you know to be able to teach people but for me it was about what you and I were talking about earlier. I don't want people just to take you know, that the magic pill or whatever I want. They have to change their other lifestyle behaviors, especially what they're eating and you know, there's all the you know, as we were saying, you know, you're talking about meditation and Tapping, you know, a lot of people don't know what tapping is, but you can download a tapping app. The one I used is called. I think it's called the tapping solution and tapping really changes your breath.

And when you change your breath, you're you're changing everything you are then impacting your endocannabinoid system because most people are breathing up here. They're breathing too high and you know that it's there to shine. And most of us do that, you know, and then you can tap or do some knitting or some other meditative activity and that will really help, you know, you're breathing so, you know integrating breathing with nutrition and and cannabis and you know mushrooms and you know yoga there's so many different things all of the that is personalized lifestyle medicine.

I love it. I love it. So what is the is that is all of this underpinning your holistic cannabis Academy then in terms of what you're doing online with education.

Yes. So there's 31 modules and you know, there's a lot of you got to lay the groundwork because people don't know what the endocannabinoid system is. They may not understand the plant. But so then it also talks about integrating cannabis with other. East you know, whether it's with as I said, you know nutrition meditation breathwork. Yoga. You just going to get you're going to get better results when you do that. So it's like if you think about somebody who has diabetes and you and I both know people like this. I'm sure and you know, they just they eat whatever they want and then they take more insulin that's not really the idea and there's going to be a sequel a negative sequel a On the road, you know, he can't be robbing from Peter to pay Paul. You really have to make this a you know, holistic, you know Venture. What do you know one of the things I just perplexes me is people don't want to believe in my experience and I'm you know, I say most most people, you know, certainly some do but most people don't want to Take the responsibility for for knowing that their diet choices ours is our are as important as they are.

You know what I mean? Like, I don't know. I just seems it seems so obvious to you and I were talking about this but you know my experience I talked to folks and even in my own family and you know, you talk about organic food choices and people almost feel like you're you know, you're being an elitist or something and it's like I'm not that's not the point. The point is like Is the right food for your body like it's and I don't know if people most people just don't want to have that conversation. 

Yes, it's I will never be out of business. It is ramp that is a problem. And a lot of people don't take action until something bad happens happens to them. Right and then and then maybe maybe they take action or maybe not I don't know. I think part of that is one I think I think it's because the processed foods are plentiful the plentiful and everywhere. You know, as I said you go to a gas station a if they're approved right the must be say, yeah, I mean they are everywhere they're easy to access. They're easy to eat. They're portable so that you know, they're tasty because once you know, you have that Sugar craving they're going to be tasty so they check all those bounces. The other thing that I think is a big part of it. Is that our agency. For our own self care was taken away from us. So, you know. I don't know how many years ago. I think fewer than a hundred. It's not I mean, I know that seems like a long time but maybe 80 years ago. We had Agency for food choice and not only for food choice, but also self care that you weren't going to the doctor for a prescription, but these medications didn't exist. So you had a home Pharmacy and that Home Pharmacy. 80 years ago and cannabis in it and it had a lot of herbs in it and and people knew, you know what to you know, what to put together. If you go to any I mean these people exist now if you find any non as or any, you know, especially in Chinese medicine, there's plenty of things that look like sticks and leaves they are it's alive and well, you know,

Traditional Chinese medicine, you know ancient medicines Indian medicine. These are these exist but that was taken away from us and sort of replaced by you know, modern medicine that you had to go to somebody so people have lost their own agency to say wait a minute. I can fix myself. I mean I think of how people run to the doctor for any little acre pain and they Usually don't need to go I mean a fever is your body's way of healing and saying something is wrong. So what do you do? You stay home? You drink a lot of water, you know your rest you definitely have some chicken soup that's been cooked with bones, you know some bone broth and and you get better. You know, we're not we're not talking about, you know things will you do have to you know, go to the doctor because it's a life-or-death situation, you know, if you have a broken bone, obviously, yes, but I think that that has been taken away from us. So I do think it's a you know, a combination of things. I mean I can tell you from my own experience with my daughter, even though here I way I felt like Dorothy, you know, I had those red shoes. But I didn't know what the power of them was and I so I wanted somebody else to take care of her because I didn't know you know, I wasn't recognizing my own ability not just as a dietitian, who was then at that point? I wasn't trained in functional medicine, but also was the mother, you know, if you if I'm sure you know, a lot of the stories about moms with children on the Spectrum or children was Very devastating health issues most of the time it's the mother who heals the child because these are these women are powerful. 

I'm not a lot met a lot of them when I was at Charlotte's Web CBD there was a lot of amazing amazing women and these women have they so they have they have agency, you know, they have taken control and said, you know what I can't rely on that on the current system. Yeah So, how is your daughter today? What? What is she what is her life? 

Like she's great. So her name is her name is Isabella and she acted her middle name is actually my mother’s maiden name was just spot-on say which that's not Esperanza is just spot-on. So which means hope in Italian so quite coincidentally, we named her beautiful hope and she's doing very well, you know, she’s aged out of the educational system, which is a scary thing and for any of your Listeners who have children with special needs, you know that in Most states, they get Services up until they're 21, and then after 21, it's like falling off a cliff then they have to qualify for services and it's very it’s very complicated how they get the services but nevertheless she is she was going to a program two days a week because how else would she need? People and now of course, that's all on Zoom, which I have to say. She doesn't always want to do it but that when she's there she likes it. She works at a supermarket two mornings a week and and before she was working for days a week, but it just seemed like we didn't want her to be there as much during the pandemic. She does horseback riding and Equine Therapy and she and the horseback riding is fantastic. Those are Majestic animals, so it's amazing and you know, I didn't know about Equine Therapy therapy, but you know horses sense things right away and they sense it and then it's done. They don't linger like humans do so talk talk therapy wasn't really going to work for her it without having the horse there and it's amazing. You know, I have participated and I have to tell you if anybody has the opportunity. To experience that or to watch that in action. It's it's pretty phenomenal. So she's doing great. She and then she has a couple of other groups that she participates with online. I mean, she tells me almost every day. I want this covid to be over and I said, yes well, so do I did Well, that's great. I'm glad to hear there's some there's a lot of positive and positivity and hope they're so that's great and beautiful. Hope that as you said, right? Yeah, that's wonderful.

Well Laura, thank you. I think I think that's about as much time as we have today. So thank you so much. It was really a pleasure talking to you and I couldn't be of more like mind with you in a lot of ways with regards to what you're talking about what you're trying to help bring forward.

So let's definitely stay in touch. I would love to Again, continue the conversation. 

Absolutely. Thank you so much for having me. Okay.

We'll have a great afternoon. Thank you. You too.

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